My first experience with work outside of that done at home and in Dad’s store was with my brothers Frank and Russell. Our Aunt May Lund who used to sell Christmas cards knew a lady that had some work to be done on her yard and asked us to help her. We worked for three days sorting, sawing, and stacking some wood that she had in her backyard. We felt that we had done a pretty good job. Our pay for the three days was a quarter, total. It didn’t give each of us much after we paid our tithing.
One summer the farmers in Willard, Utah needed some help in harvesting their crop of string beans. Through the church a group of the young members of the ward were recruited and I went to pick beans. This was a job of crawling along the ground with a gunny sack and picking the beans. The first day it was so hot I took off my shirt. I burned my back and didn’t go for about 2 days. After working the week I was paid a bit over $3.00 and that week end I went to the carnival down town and spent the whole week’s salary in about 3 hours. I believe I learned a valuable lesson for since that time I have always tried to save something from each bit of money I have earned, even now in my retirement money.
I don’t remember how old I was at the time, but I tried at one time to sell magazines door to door. I sold the Saturday Evening Post, a weekly magazine, at $.05 a copy, the Ladies Home Journal, a monthly magazine, at $.10 a copy and The Country Gentleman. Because of the depression nobody had any money so I didn’t make much at this project. In fact it was a most discouraging experience. Later in life I found out that I had sold a magazine to Mrs. Rose Powell once, who is my wife’s aunt.
During the summer months beginning with 1937 and through 1941, I worked at the California Packing Corporation. I was known as one of “Herb’s Deacons”. A counselor in the bishopric, Herbert Woods, was the warehouse foreman and used to hire the boys from our ward during the summer. So those he hired from the ward were known as “Herb’s Deacons”. I worked during the canning of peas and tomatoes. It was usually the month of July for the peas and August until school started for the tomatoes. It was every day work during the peas including sundays, but only 6 days a week during the tomatoes.
My pay for this work was .40 cents an hour when we worked by the hour, but during the peas I worked piece work. I was paid .08 cents for stacking a crate of cans totaling about 560 cans. The pay increased as the number of cans increased in the crates, according to the size of the cans. This was bending over and picking up 4 cans at a time and placing them in the stack to be cooled, dried and waiting for labeling. If the stack fell over we had to re-stack without any pay. Our labeling work was done by the hour. Our day started about 7 o’clock and lasted until all of the peas that had been harvested that day were canned. It was sometimes after 7 o’clock in the evening when we finished. I sometimes had to walk both to and from work as the bicycle wasn’t always in working order. This took me a good hour each trip.
I remember one day word came that we would be through about 5 o’clock and we all ran into the office and made dates for the evening. But later we had to cancel as we received 5 big truck loads of peas from Smithfield because they couldn’t handle that at their own plant.
The tomato season was different. I worked on what was known as the “Sauce Line”. We labeled the little picnic size cans of tomato sauce standing in one place all day. Luckily we didn’t start work quite so early, but we were later finishing as we had to label all of the sauce made that day.
In 1941 I was kept on during the sauerkraut run as Brother Woods knew that I would need all of the money I could earn to help me with my mission. This work consisted of stacking, labeling and filling railroad cars with produce to be shipped, besides the stacking of cans with the sauerkraut. From this work I really learned how to work and always do a good job.
In September 1940 while going to school I was offered a job working part time for Boyles Furniture. I was a sales and inventory control clerk. My boss was Milton Rawson and this time I was paid .75 cents an hour. I worked with Reed Anderson and this was evening work. We started about 5 o’clock and processed all of the sales tickets and adjusted the inventory records for items sold that day. After our work was over we used to sit in the front windows and model the furniture on display and watch the expressions on the faces of people who were coming home from the movies. This was usually around 10 or 11 o’clock. I kept this job until June 1941 when I returned to California Packing Corporation for the summer’s work as I could make more piece work than I could at .75 cents an hour.
After coming home from my mission I went to work at J. G. Read and Bros. I started in February 1944 with a salary of $120.00 per month. My boss was H. Russell Pulsipher who lived in the same ward and knew me. Here I did some of the finance work as their bookkeeper and also delivered items and worked both physically and financially with their inventory as the shipping clerk. I enjoyed my association with everyone here. I only stayed her until May 1944 when I moved on to working for Continental Baking Company.
I continued as shipping clerk for the bakery with Lyle Palmer as my boss. Bob Van Dyke, my brother-in-law, was here and I believe that he was instrumental in my getting the job. I started at $1.00 per hour and later received a raise to $1.25 an hour. This was during the war and because of sugar rationing our out-put of Twinkies and other cakes was limited. It was my job to allocate to the various salesmen the amount and kinds of cakes they would receive. It was interesting to see how they would help me so that I would give them all of the Twinkies they wanted, as that was their best seller and they could make a better commission on them than on any other cakes or bread.
I had planned on going to B.Y.U. with West Belnap starting the first of January 1945, but my replacement at the bakery was slow in learning the job so I didn’t feel that I could quit before he knew the job because the bakery had been so good to me while I worked there. I therefore had no job for about 6 months.
I started working for Maid O’ Clover Dairy in June 1945 with Eugene W. Robinson as my boss. Here I was an assistant office manager. I spent most of my time writing milk checks for the producers. I also spent a little time in working in the production of cottage cheese. My salary here was about $140.00 per month. The company changed their name to Mutual Creamery and later were bought out by Arden-Sunfreze and I quit because of the change. This was September 1945 when I returned to Weber College.
January 2, 1946 I started working for First Security Bank in Ogden, Utah. Getting this job was rather interesting. I filled out an application and was interviewed by J. Maiben Squires. He suggested that I talk to some of my references about this type of work. I talked with H. Aldous Dixon who was President of Weber College and I had a pretty good relationship with him through the last quarter I had spent at the school. He had also been in the banking field. He suggested that maybe Mr. Squires was a little concerned with my staying at the bank for some time as I had held a number of positions for such short periods of time. He also suggested that if I took this job I should stay at least for two years so that I would really know if I was interested in this type of work. I followed his ideas and ended up with the position. I started out as a trainee and moved through many different positions and experiences. My beginning salary was $135.00 per month and was later moved to $150.00 after my period of training was finished.
Because of my willingness to learn all that I could I was trained in every phase of bank operations. I became Chief Clerk and was used to fill in for vacations, sickness and any other reason for absence, in the operations of the bank. I enjoyed this very much even though as I went to work each day, I was never sure what I would be doing that day until I reported for work.
In this assignment I also made the quarterly and year end reports to be sent to the Corporation. As this was essential to the reports from all of the branches at the year end I was at the bank on the last day of the year where I spent celebrating the new year. But it was quiet and satisfying to walk home in the snow after knowing you had fulfilled your assignment and the Ogden Branch’s report was on the president’s desk for the next day.
In 1952 I was given the assignment of Bank Auditor and was paid through the First Security Corporation, as this position was not a bank function. This also was a very good experience. I was happy with this type of work and had opportunities of going to other First Security Branches to help the auditing crew from the Corporation. I was also used to help in the merging of other banks into the First Security System. I also spent time at the Magna and Bingham Canyon Branches as a replacement while the branch managers went on vacation.
One interesting sidelight of my bank work in Ogden came as about that time microfilm was beginning to be used to help with the recording keeping. Along with Robert T. Heiner, who later became the president of the bank, we microfilmed all of the old customers ledgers since the beginning of the bank. This we did at the drive-in branch in Ogden every night after our regular work schedule. When it was completed and verified we then had the job of destroying all of those ledgers. We used the brickyard kiln at a company in Harrisville, Utah. We used it while they were curing bricks and they told us that we could not hurt the bricks as they could stand a lot of heat. We threw the bundles of ledgers through a small whole just in front of a forced gas flame. When the foreman came in to see how we were doing we had raised the temperature so high that the front stack of bricks had begun to melt. We had to slow down a bit and just keep the bricks a pink color instead of the red we had generated. We saw the results after they had emptied the kiln. We hauled a 3 ton truck load of ledgers to be destroyed and after the work we saw about 3 bushels of ashes. We were not allowed to use the kiln after that, but we had the job of destroying old records for the next two years. We did this on the outside in the fields where they piled the clay. This proved rather interesting because of the wind that was created by burning such large amounts of paper and being blown all over the place. You should have seen us chasing bits of confidential papers that had not been burned. We would dump the papers on the ground and light them and then we had to keep stirring them up so they were all destroyed. We would run up and stir real fast and run to get away from the heat that was created.
Here one year the bank sponsored a softball team to play in the summer league. I played 3rd base and although we didn’t win the championship it was a lot of fun. In fact at the half of the season I was the leading hitter in the league as reported in the Ogden Standard Examiner.
Although I liked my job very much, my wife was disappointed that Bob Heiner seemed to be advancing faster that I was even though I had been hired before him. So one day I waited after work and went in to see Mr. George Eccles about my chances for advancements. This resulted in my being given the opportunity to transfer to the Provo, Utah Branch. In April 1956 I transferred to Provo as an assistant vice-president in charge of operations, taking the place of Kenneth Weaver who had quit to go to St. George to work there.
This was my first job in hiring and I had quite an experience for the first hiring. I had two different girls, both named Joyce, submit applications and I felt that one would fill the position that was open. I told one to report to work the next monday and felt that everything was fine. A little later the other girl came in and as they were both about the same build and looks, I assumed that it was the girl I had hired. I again told her to report for work on monday. To my surprise on monday they both came in and I was in quite a quandary as what I should do then. Well I kept both of them and filled the position with one and began training the other for any other opening that might occur.
I also while in Provo had the opportunity of bringing in the Heber City Branch of Commercial Bank of Utah to the First Security System. I was assigned with Nathaniel Clark, Jr. (he was from Ogden and was the son of Nathaniel Clark who used to be on the High Council in the Ogden Stake) and one day we drove up to make the transfer. We did all of the necessary balancing and transferring and finished about nine o’clock in the evening. We were to wait there in Heber until the bank in Vernal had been completed and their papers were taken down to Roosevelt where other men were transferring that office, and then the papers from both branches were to be brought to Heber where we would take them all down to Spanish Fork, Utah where Vern Ingebretsen would make the necessary transfers and paper work for the whole system. Well we waited in Heber and as the time dragged on we walked the main street and looked in all of the windows of the stores and the window of the bank. We would sit in the car for a while and then get out again and take another tour around main street and then get back in the car and talk some more and then make another trip around just to keep from getting bored. This went on until about midnight when as we sat in the car all of the lights in Heber went out and the street was very dark. Well there was a police car pull up and park in front of us and another one pulled up behind us and another one stopped in front of the bank across from where we were parked. Boy we didn’t know what was going on and we sat very, very still. In a little while the lights came back on and the cars moved away over a long period of time leaving us alone. We got to figuring that because of the frequent trips we made around town looking like we were casing the joint they thought we were going to rob the bank and when the lights went out they really put a watch on us. Too bad we had to disappoint them. It was still an hour before the men came from Roosevelt and we had a good laugh when we reported to them our experience. We then took the papers and headed for Spanish Fork, but by the time we got there everyone had gone home and after calling Vern we were told to bring the papers back the next morning to complete the merger. In Spanish Fork we drove around the bank to see if anyone was there and then we went over to a public phone and guess what. There was another police car parked right where we had to make our call. It gave us a funny feeling and we quietly finished our call and got out of Spanish Fork.
After working at the Provo Branch for about three years I was promoted to Manager of the Orem-Geneva Branch to take the place of Joseph Smith who had resigned and gone to work for a bank in California. I didn’t get much training for this position and found that I was not qualified to handle loans as I was trying too hard to help any person who applied. I enjoyed working here, though and had some very interesting times. A very bad decision forced my termination here. So for the next two years I did a lot of looking and working at anything that came along.
I worked for a Mr. Grow in helping him in some of his businesses. I traveled to Burley, Idaho and worked at a savings and loan just to have some male employee there as Mr. Grow felt that was needed. This was a very discouraging time for me and I remember one time on the way home the old car I was driving gave out on the road between Snowville, Utah and Tremonton, Utah. A man on a motorcycle stopped to see if he could help and I asked him to call my brother, Russell, to come and rescue me. After he had gone I felt like it would be better for me if I would just walk out into the hills and lay down and give up. But not knowing if he had contacted Russell I remained with the car. Russell finally came and did he give me a ride as he towed me to Ogden. I borrowed Dad’s old Buick the next day and drove to Orem. This also proved very exciting as the brakes gave out about at Pleasant Grove and I drove home very gingerly. Monday when I went back to Ogden I had a real exciting ride. I had to watch for red lights a long way ahead and try to be able to stop when I got there or hopefully arrive as the lights were green. I did make it safely to Ogden and took a bus from there to Burley that week. I guess the good Lord was watching over me although I had very serious doubts that He even cared for me.
Mr. Grow and associates decided that a new bank was needed in the Provo area and they were kind enough to ask me to serve as the Cashier. I help organize and put in practice the policies and procedures of accounting. This was the Utah National Bank of Prove. When it came time for the final approval from the Comptroller of the Currency to grant the license to operate, he refused until I was replaced as he was given some bad information about me and the problems I had at First Security Bank. To try to get everything straightened out I made a bus ride to Washington, D. C. to see if I could get him to change his mind. He refused to see me personally, but had an assistant talk to me. I was unable to get any change made so returned home very discouraged. It has been hard for me to forgive him and those who spoke against me and in the way I was treated. This whole situation gave me much experience in how government and those who have authority operate. Although I found some very uncooperative persons, there were also some who after hearing the whole story felt that I should have been given a personal hearing. I guess what I learned has helped me in my work ethics ever since.
I finally got a job at Ahlanders Hardware as a finance man. This lasted for about five months when I went to work for S. Arvid Dodge who was a CPA and hired me for some of the most interesting work I have ever done. I got acquainted with him during my stay at Utah National Bank. I helped keep books for various companies including Scera Theater where I was asked to be their financial secretary as a volunteer. I did the work for Scera up until David’s death. This was a total of 12 years and a very fine experience with some of the finest men I have ever had the opportunity of working with. The best part of working with Mr. Dodge was in doing income taxes. I learned a great deal while working for him. In fact after I left to go to BYU he called me and asked me to continue doing income tax returns for him. This I did beginning the last of January and working nights until the 15th of April from 1971 until 1975. I thoroughly enjoyed this work even though the hours were hard. I did my 8 hours at BYU and then started about 6 o’clock on tax work at Mr. Dodge’s office and worked anywhere from 11 pm to 2 or 3 am each monday through friday and then spent the whole day on Saturdays. In the five years I worked 1,389.75 hours.
I decided that if I was going to be good for Mr. Dodge and his company I should try to get my own CPA license. I started to take some courses at BYU and while I was doing that I was asked to apply for a position with Extension Services on campus by my teacher, Lyman Durfee, who was in the financial department at the Y. This eventually brought me to work at Brigham Young University.
I was interviewed for work at BYU by Harold Glen Clark, who later was the first president of the Provo Temple. He wasn’t sure that he should hire me as I had no degree. It was reported to me after being hired, that he continually asked to see my resume and then would return it to the file. I was interviewed in April 1964 and even though it was a long time before being hired I wasn’t too concerned as the job I had with Mr. Dodge was one that I liked very much. I don’t know what made him decide to hire me, but I am grateful for whose ever support worked on him as I have been very happy in my association with Brigham Young University. I started on August 1, 1964 with a salary of $500.00 which equals the amount I received after 16 years at First Security Bank. I was first hired as a staff person and later on September 1, 1968 I was promoted to administrative. As the Division continued to grow I had my office in about 8 different locations in the old Herald R. Clark building. I was instrumental in developing the central cashier position and policies.
I remember hiring Doreen Thompson as cashier in a very informal way. We broke all of the rules in interviewing and when she returned to Richfield at the school she was attending she was informed that she certainly would not get the position. She had come with her friend and I was in the process of balancing the work for the day and the only question she can remember that I asked her was ‘was she a good cook’. That was important for we used to have a staff dinner each month and everyone got involved with the food.
It was a great day when our new Harman building was built and finished and we moved into new quarters. I only got to work there about 3 years before I was called on our mission to Ohio. I asked for and was granted a leave of absence of 18 months. But after being in the mission field on the day I reached 65 years of age, and not knowing just what work I would be called on to learn and do on my return, and that my old job had been split three different ways I asked that the leave be cancelled and that my retirement begin. I have never regretted this decision.
My work at Brigham Young University for the 20 odd years I worked there was most fulfilling and enjoyable. There were many choice friendships made that have left me with wonderful memories that will last me all the remaining days of my life. I always tried to be helpful and encouraging to those with whom I worked, although my reputation for being an old bear (although at one time was noted to be a teddy bear) had many a persons really wondering just what kind of a person I was until they got really acquainted with me.
Besides Harold Glen Clark as my boss, I also had Stanley A. Peterson, who the whole office gave a very rough time and who was the Dean when David passed away and was such a comfort to the family, and William R. Siddoway, who was instrumental in making sure that my wife and I had the opportunity of going on the Greek Islands Cruise and to the Holy Land and Egypt.
I have gained much from the various work that I have done and found that work can be a great experience and most fulfilling in one’s life.